"Respect All, Fear None!" Coach Mo, Girls Basketball St. Pius X St. Matthias Academy

In this engaging conversation, Coach Sinnamon Munroy shares her journey as a high school basketball coach, discussing her impressive achievements as a player, her coaching philosophy, and the importance of connecting with young athletes. She highlights the unique challenges of coaching both girls and boys, the role of her assistant coach- "Coach O", and the impact of sports on personal development. Additionally, Coach "Mo" emphasizes the significance of sportsmanship and respect in athletics while sharing her passion for travel and personal interests outside of basketball.

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Everyone, I'm here with Coach Cinnamon Monroe from, well, actually, let me ask you, how do we want to say this? Because you have like six names in the title of the school. Is it St. Pius St. Mathias St. Pius 10 St. Pius 10th St. Mathias Academy St. St. McAdamy? What do you what do do? Officially, it's St. Pius X St. Matthias Academy. Okay, so it's X, it's not 10. That's the way I say it. I'll be honest, we might all be wrong, but that's how I pronounce it, so okay. That's That's fair. All right, but you but I heard you saying one other time SMA is that is that what you guys pretty much go with? PMA what did I say? SMA that doesn't make sense. Yeah. PMA all right, so she's the girls basketball coach at PMA in Downey, CA and previously was head coach at Mayfair High School. Let me just get right into something really good here. You in your past were a legitimate three point shooter. Is that what I meant to understand? Like at one point you led the NCAA in percentage? I did. I want say my junior year, I led the nation in Division I in 3-point field goal percentage. was like 49 point something. 49.5. Yeah. I wrote it down somewhere here. 49.6 don't short yourself. 49.6 in 2003, NCA three point almost 50%. That's pretty legit. That was a good year. It was. It's actually a really funny story about how I found out about it. I didn't know that was a thing. I didn't know. So we were in, Denver and we were playing university at Denver and, my point guard were downstairs that morning eating breakfast. And I guess it was like the final day where the final list to come out. And so I'm down there getting my waffles. I'm not a morning person that I'm not a morning person. Am I? head coach at the time was like, we would eat breakfast at like 730, was crazy. And yeah, 730 is very early for me. It still is. when you're supposed to eat breakfast, but that's cool. I was 20, 21 at the time. you know, you know, and my point guard, Madui Sanchez and she's like, congratulations. And you know, they're sticking papers in my face and I'm just looking at her like, what are you all talking about? Like my teammates are hyped, my coach comes over, she's hyped And I'm just sitting there with the waffles. Like, I don't know what y'all are talking about. And I finally look at the paper and I'm just like, oh my gosh. I'm just sitting there like at. You how you stare at something like, that it? Is that what? Yeah, that's me. And it was cool. They did like this whole, I got a plaque and they did a whole presentation at the halftime one of our football games. So it was a really cool experience. It was a really cool experience. you went to school in New Mexico State, correct? Alright, so they have it on their website is that you were the NCAA three-point champion. I like that. I like that. Let's keep it. And that was... I'm not gonna say how many years ago it was, but... I actually did say how many, we're just going to leave that alone again. Yeah. I, they want to go back and listen to this again. More power to them. Okay. You, if, far as I can tell now in New Mexico state has not kept up on their stats. They haven't gone back. I couldn't find it passed, but somebody, let's see, you finished your career with 1,344 points. Sounds like most of that came in that junior year. and I believe it was, I think you're currently 11th. Is that sound about right? 11th in their school history or do you not pay attention and care? Not pay attention and care is strong, a very strong sentiment. But I just, know that I'm in there somewhere and I think for to be a very young old age that I am and have graduated as many years ago as I did, I'm not telling on myself. You know, I just, think it's awesome to still, you know, to still be in there. So it's kind of cool. My current players, they, You know, sometimes I tell some of my stories just to kind of motivate them and just kind of tell them a little bit about, know, I'm not very, not very big. I'm not very tall. I'm not six, five or anything. And just kind of telling them like, Hey, it's possible. And so I guess they didn't believe me and they Googled me. So they came back and they were like, coach, so you did this and you went here and I was just like, yeah, yeah, that was the thing. That was the thing. So not just making up stuff, I promise. So. Yeah, I was there. experienced it and everything. But yeah, that's. Now, let me ask you a question. So in my 20 years coaching girls high school sports and then working with a number of coaches, male, female, what I think I've found is high level elite female athletes have a hard time connecting at the high school level with their athletes because at the high school level you get the mixture of the diehards. And then you get the girls who are there for the social atmosphere or you get the girls who are there because they love basketball, but they're not planning on using it and going beyond anywhere. And I find that some of the more elite athletes and I'm going to throw you in there, you're an elite athlete. You played Division one three point champion at one point in your career. Is it hard to understand these girls or? Do you one? Do you see what I'm saying? Have you seen that with other coaches and then two? You relate well, so I guess I better say it's not ask you is it hard to you do relate well with your athletes so. How do you do that? Because their mindset is different than your mindset. Does that make sense what I'm asking? OK. absolutely. And thank you for that. I think the way we tend to break it down is we have this thing where we say, you know, there's basketball players and then there's kids who play basketball. And if you're not at the elite schools, you know, the Ediwanda's, the Mater Dei's let's be honest, for the most part, you're getting a core group of kids who either just play basketball or they love the sport but they've never really been coached. And I think for me, was never one of those like, I think growing up I wasn't one of those elite basketball players, so to speak. Not initially, it was something that I really had to work my way towards. And so I think with that being said, it's easier for me to relate to the kids who aren't 6'3", 6'4", who don't just have the genes, who... aren't super fast, who don't jump out of the gym, and who genuinely just maybe even love the sport or just want to work and just need some help getting to where they need to be. And I think a lot of times, I'll be honest, I see myself in those kids. I was fortunate enough to have great coaches. My high school coach, Damian Scribner, still keep in touch with him, phenomenal guy. I was fortunate enough to have coaches that really, really pushed me and got the best out of me. And even times where I doubted where I was going and what I was capable of, that they gave me that extra, you know, kick in the pants. Now granted, you can't really give kids that same kick in the pants now, but it's a lot different. But I think, you know, I try to be a combination of two of the best coaches I ever had. One of them was my high school coach who was always the emotional guy. He was always gonna, you know, you on the back. He was gonna tell you to pick your head up when you struggled. my college coach who was a firecracker, but she knew how to get the best out of you. She could get under your skin like nobody's business. Nobody. She was going to find out every little thing about you and figure out how to use it to motivate you and how to push you. And I think I just try to be a competition of that. then I think also because we have so many kids who don't, they're not going to go play after high school. They're not. They don't want to. And that's fine. But I always tell my parents, I'm like, hey, if they want to go play after high school, they'll definitely be prepared. And if they don't, I want them to look back at their high school experience and be like, you know what? I didn't play afterwards, but I love my coach. had a great experience. I still keep in touch with a lot of my kids. We just played Mayfair maybe last month sometime. And we had like 11 alumni show up from 2015 to 2024. Actually, I'm sorry, 2016 to 2024. So that's, you know, I think that's kind of a great testament to what we, you know, tried to build and just the relationship we try to build with our players. Yeah, I think that's an excellent testament to what you offer and how those those young athletes take to what you're teaching. What you and Coach are teaching in. As we've talked before, where you go, Coach goes. And so you want to tell us a little about your assistant coach. She's amazing, too. So Coach O is, I'm not even gonna butcher her name, because we've known each other since high school, but I'ma try, just because I want to make sure she gets the credit she's due. Omologo Udese, she is married now, but I'll be honest, I will totally butcher her new last name. But she was a All-American post player at Harvard Westlake, probably one of the coldest drop steps I've ever seen. And I try to tell the kids about it now. One of them actually talked trash to her the other day and I just sat down and was like, ooh, this is going to be good. This is going to be good. But got a Division I scholarship to Fresno State. Again, we've known each other since high school. We actually ran into each other at work. I had just got the job at Mayfair and we wound up just in the same classroom with the same group of kids. And I just kept staring at her like, know her. We had seen each other since high school. We were kind of both looking like, why do I? And we got a minute and I walked up and I said, you know, her name and she said, Siniman. And I was like, yeah. So, I got this, I just got ahead. I just got a head coaching job at a Mayfair and I'm looking for an assistant. And she said, I'm in call me. And I was like, no, but I'm, I'm, I'm serious. I'm really going to call you. I'm really going to call you. And she was like, no, call me. So that was a 2015 and Here we are. She's, I really call her the director of player personnel. It's really kind of a running joke, but it's, it's very apropos to what she does. Every, you know, a lot of times when people come in and they see the behind the scenes, you know, I think people just assume because I'm so active and involved that I do everything and I tell them I do not. I do not. And this program, any program does not run without Coach O. She's, you know, I can, I can pull the kid out of a game and you know, some choice words with them, know, from the scores table to the bench and I'm giving her the eye like, talk to your kid, talk to your kid and she's gonna nod and she's gonna go down there and she's gonna do what needs to be done and she's gonna walk back up and say, coach they're ready when you need them. And she's gonna remember everybody's birthdays and their mom's birthdays and you know, buy flowers if somebody passed away and she's just... So involved with that emotional side and I can't even really take credit for even all of that, that development side, because that is, that is Coach O through and through. But she did come with me. It was funny, even when I took over for the boys last year and people were like, you know, I got a lot of calls like, you need an assistant? you need, no, we're good. Coach, is Coach O coming with you? Absolutely. It's a package deal. You don't, you don't get one without the other. Right. And she was assisting for the girl side at the time. She was, she was. So she was pulling double duty with me last year. She was literally going to the girls practice and then staying for the boys and going to the girls games and staying for the boys. And, you know, I was kind of supporting too. So we spent a lot of time in the gym together for the last, what, six, seven weeks of season. But yeah, just definitely phenomenal. You know, now she's a mom. you know, her daughter's just like mine is in the gym with us running around, yelling at the kids, teaching them to play defense. So, at trying to. She has a better job than we do actually, but yeah, cannot say enough good things about her, honestly. She's she's amazing and you know for those that are listening that don't know again with other people I've talked to and interviewed I was the ad that hired cinnamon and apparently coach and brought them on and They are two of my favorite coaches and two of my favorite people. They're amazing. They love the kids They love the programs that they're in you mentioned That you coach the boys now I did some research and I can't find information about how many, if ever a female has coached high school boys basketball in Southern California. I would assume at some point there might've been one or two others, but you took over a program, Mayfair High School, that's a famous program. It's got good recognition for being a public school, smaller public school. And you took over for, you said six or seven weeks. What was that like? What was what was some of the things that you experienced sitting down coaching boys? You had to win them over. They had to understand that basketball is basketball. And just because you're a female doesn't mean you don't know basketball. So what was it like jumping into that? You know, at your athletic director at the time asking you to do something crazy like that. My athletic director at the time, it was very unexpected. I've coached boys, dabbled, traveled ball, here and there. I had always said that before it was all said and done that I would love to have a group of boys just to see what I can do with them, to roll the dice and see what happens. And I was at home, I had actually taken a year off just to kind of... regroup honestly I had just got married and just the grind of wedding planning and being a head coach at least one that's fully engaged I just felt like it wasn't really fair to my kids for me to not be 110 % locked in so you know I was taken a year off which as we know didn't happen and you know my months-ish we'll say months-ish and so my my previous athletic director you know calls me and was like hey you know, we just kind of need you to fill in for a game. And I was just like, okay, I got you. Just, you know, on the strength of our relationship. You know, I kind of like him a little bit. He's all right. And I was like, yeah, no problem. I got you. Don't worry about it. coached that one game, if you want to call it that. And, you know, it turned into an opportunity to finish out the rest of the season. And I was kind of caught off guard and I was like, And okay, well. Okay, this is happening. You know, it took a few days over the weekend and I got a phone call, I think Monday or Tuesday and I just jumped head in. I think boys with a female head coach was a little different because I think, you know, let's be honest, what teenage boy is going to listen to, you know, no matter how old we are, I'm still a girl. I'm still a girl. And as a girl, I can't possibly be as good as them or know as much as them. And You know, it was a little rough at first because, and I'm a very... no nonsense, so to speak, type of coach. You know, I'm very old school and there's just certain things that I'm I'm not willing to tolerate boys, girls, private school, public school. And so it was, was some cultural things I think we had to work through. And I think my, hardest part was during practice where every time I opened my mouth, it was, my travel ball coach said this. my travel ball coach said this. well, I was taught this. Well, I was taught that. And I literally got to the point where I just had to start asking, well, how is that working out for you? How's it working out for you? Because I'm watching you get blown by or I'm watching you get you know, whatever it is, whatever the negative consequence of you not doing it the way I asked you to do it and then one day and I very rarely do this and I walked in and I said, you know what? Before practice I said since you guys are convinced that I clearly don't know what I'm talking about and I'm just here for you know, good looks and charming personality apparently and one of the the JV coach and you know, he was great. He came over just to help me out and he was great. We have a great relationship. And he said, are you going to do an accolade check? An accolade rundown? I said, I absolutely am. I absolutely am. Because y'all are convinced that they just pointed in the stands and was like, yeah, she looks okay. Yeah, you, yeah, come on. Yeah, she's about the right height. Yeah, yeah, come on. And they were just kind of like. Yeah, yeah, I do this. I really do this. And I think after that, they were kind of like, it won a few of them over. And then I think just, you know, had to suit up. know, had to, somebody said they could out shoot me. So then that was the whole thing before I practiced one day. you know, just, it just, it just took, you know, it was was a change for them also because, you know, it had, was a lot that went on last season for them as well. So I think ultimately. You know, it worked out. ended up, I think we came in third in league and still ended up, you know, going to the playoffs. We lost in the first round to a very good Rolling Hills prep team. But, I enjoyed my experience. I enjoyed my experience. I can honestly look back and say, I'm glad that I did it. It was it was amazing. I think that what I what I saw was a lot of the parents and mostly the moms and grandmoms were ecstatic and bought in right away because. They've raised these boys and they know that these boys need to show respect to women. They know that they're capable and they were like, this is a great opportunity for my son to learn and they recognized. Maybe not right away, but within a very short period of time, they recognize that you knew what you were talking about. There's and there's not a lot different between girls basketball and boys basketball. Maybe the pace is a little bit different sometimes. Girls don't play above the rim as much as the boys, but let's be honest, most of the boys you had on that team couldn't play above the rim anyway. And so. I think that those moms bought in and I enjoyed watching that. They're like, yes, we want a woman. Coaching our boys. We are happy about they were happy about it and some of them were not happy that you weren't going to stick around necessarily. So. Slight transition here on your Instagram account. Your your bio says and I love it. Your bio says passionately sarcastic, foodie by day, hoop head by night, hopeless, hopelessly optimistic. Talk to me. I talk back. Mm-hmm. I love that last line. Talk to me. Cause you're, you listen, you do listen and, but you're making it clear that I'll have a conversation with you, but at the same time you're hitting the double meaning there that, I'll talk back. I have no problem saying what I want to say. You use that in your coaching, don't you? That's kind of your personality that sums up your coaching personality, right? it does. It does. It does. I think, and to be honest, I don't even think I looked at it like that when I did it, but that's such a eloquent way to just sum it up. love how you just did that. There you go, that's what I do. I think that my approach to be such a passionate coach is, and this is something I discuss with my kids a lot. think as young ladies, you know, we're, we're taught or, you know, we're brought up that we have to be, you know, seen and not heard and we have to be quiet and we have to be. You know, just present ourselves a certain way and be nice. And I think for me, just growing up and basketball or sports period being such a huge part of my life, I think for me, it just really kind of shaped the, you know, hey, I am a female head coach. You know, I recognize there's not a lot of us. And, you let's be honest, there's not a lot of, you don't see a lot of black female head coaches either. And, you know, there are certain dynamic that comes with those two things separately and collectively and I think that it's okay to show our young ladies like hey, you know what you can be Professional you can be cordial. You can be respectful. However however You know you can also be passionate, you know, it's okay for us to be passionate it's okay for us to to yell and jump up and down and walk up and down the sidelines and you know occasionally You know have a few choice words with the referee should it be required. And I think that's kind of, you know, that is the message that I try to send to my kids. Like, no, I'm going to ride for you 100%. I am here. You know, I'm going to correct you in private, you know, if it requires that, but you know, in public I got you. But at the same time, it's okay to be both. You know, we can, for example, we dress up business casual on the sidelines. during league games. And I just try to show my kids like, I'm a sweats and hoodies girl. I am, I am. That hasn't changed. As you can see, I'm going to throw on a hoodie and some jeans and J's and I'm going to walk up and down the sideline. But it's also like, hey, let's show these young ladies, you can dress up too. You can be, you know, if you want to be a little bit more, you know, girly or whatever the term for it is, but that doesn't have to change how you carry yourself. And it doesn't have to change the things, you know, the things that you allow. And even Coming into a new program this year, I've had some conversations with my current group of kids where I've told them, you know, I've had a few interactions with referees where, you know, I've been told, I've been yelled at and told to sit down or sit. And I'm like, oh, oh no, wait a minute, clutch the pearls. Is this, is this what we're doing? We're not, no, no sir, no sir. No, no, but. I don't know, I think it's just kind of one of things that I'm hoping that makes us a little bit more distinctive, I guess, and unique, because we're trying to teach life lessons over here. It's not all about basketball. It's so much bigger than basketball. Well, I think that's an excellent perspective. It is bigger than basketball. It's bigger than high school sports and some coaches lose sight of that. And I'm not saying negative things about coaches out there, but they lose sight of we're raising young men and young women in our coaching environment. And it's actually in my opinion, not just because I'm involved in athletics and I did it for so long, but in my opinion, when I look across the board at a high school campus, It's the most impactful thing happening outside of the classroom is when a kid plays sports. There's other things not to take away from band cheer, other activities, theater, whatever. But the impact a coach has in changing a life or helping grow a young child into a young adult, it's it's different because you have that opportunity to correct quietly behind the scenes. You have that opportunity to boost them up when they need boosted up or to celebrate with them and give accolades when it's necessary. It's it's an amazing opportunity and you take it very, well. You do it very well. how about, how about the idea that your, your hobbies, cause part of what I want to do is showcase a little bit more than just the coach on the sideline. Your hobbies include traveling, eating and watching sports. Is there another sport? Do you watch another sport other than basketball? Do you, are there other sports that you like out there? Are you just a basketball person? I watch, I do watch other sports. Probably after college, I've been a fan of, or should I say in college, I became a fan of football. I wasn't really a fan until I started going to the games when I was at New Mexico State. And a huge Baltimore Ravens fan. I'm hurt, that's okay, that's okay. I'm dealing with it. who's your, you're. I'm a Raiders The fact that you said that with a straight face is crazy. You know what? No problem. What about, what about this traveling business? You want to tell me a little bit about that? You like traveling. I love traveling. I know as a kid, my mom was like super big on traveling. So we went to like a lot of different places that, you know, at the time didn't really mean much to us. And we were just like, why is this lady always trying to put us in the car? And she loved to like drive like the car road trip was. So I'm talking like state to state and then we cross the state line and what's the capital? And you know, like, ma'am, I don't know, I'm sleep. But. Like, you know, the Grand Canyon, we went to Yosemite every year, know, Reno, snowball fights, just like national, the national parks. You know, my mom just loved to drive. So as I've gotten older, I didn't realize that it would kind of impact me so much. I remember booking a trip or trying to book a birthday trip for myself and I was looking for a good travel agent. Couldn't find one. Couldn't not find one to save myself. So I became one. And I was like, well, I always do other organizing anyway, so why not? And it was probably one of the best moves that I could have made. And once you go out of the country for that first time and you just, you experienced food and people and culture and it just, I'm trying to go everywhere. I tell people it's a whole, I don't, I want to go, but I'm not sure. Go, go. It's a whole world out there. I think my last trip was 2024 was to Thailand for like 10 days. Phenomenal experience. I would go back. I would, I would definitely go back, but. I just think you have to balance it out. know, work hard, play hard. It kind of becomes a running joke in the program where the kids, you know, I do a post-season travel or post-season trip and I tell the kids, don't call me, don't text me, don't email me. I have been blinking at you guys every day for the last... Yeah, I'm out. I'm out. Don't ask me nothing. Don't look for me. Don't, hey Coach, where you going this year? Why you onto my business? Don't worry about what I be doing. But no, I just, that's just kind of a passion of mine and I feel like you have to balance it out. When you work really hard, you have to play hard and take some time away just to not be Coach Mo, but just to be cinnamon for it. And that's good. I think too many of us, I'm going to throw me in there, but too many of us as coaches, we, we go so far all in and the culture. Now I started 20 years ago, 20 plus years ago. And the culture now is you're expected to be doing it full time. You get the same amount of stipend as you got back in when I started 2002, 2001, two, and you get the same stipend, but you're supposed to be going 24 seven, three 65 almost. And Traditionally, that was football coaches. That was the only people that went all year round, but everybody has to go year round now. So you have to stop and take a break and and be the the wife or the parent or be yourself for a little bit and enjoy that. I enjoy coming home and being a dad and taking those weekends from time to time. What's the most impactful part of being a high school coach for girls? That's a good question. I would say when you get them as freshmen, and I've been really fortunate, you know, we were at Mayfair for, I think, eight years, and we had a very low, what's the word? We had a very low, we didn't have a lot of transfers. So most of the kids who we had, we got them as freshmen in some form or fashion in the program somewhere and we kept them until they were seniors. And I think you get to, you get them from for four years. So you get to see them as freshmen and you get to see them grow and develop and build a relationship and you just get to see how they change. And I think you also kind of get to see the light bulb come on for them where maybe as freshmen, they're like, this lady's mean, this lady's crazy. Like, why is she always on my bumper about my grades? Why is she on my bumper about the way that I dress? About me walking around, you know, half naked or about being disrespectful in the classroom or even being disrespectful at home if that, you know, if it requires that. And I think that's one of the most impactful things we can do is just be present and be in their lives for a long period of time, especially 14 to 18. This is probably the therapist side of me coming out, but 14 to 18. I think for our young ladies is such a crucial time. It's such a crucial time because at 18, we're sending them out in the world to college or to get a job and we're expecting them to learn, have these certain tools. And if they're fortunate enough where they're getting it at home, then we just become kind of extra, right? We're a bonus. But if they're not, and all this be honest, all the kids who cross our paths, they're not fortunate enough and they're not blessed enough to get that at home. So then we become kind of a, you know, we're kind of standing in the gap really. And I think that's the best thing that we can do and the most impactful thing we can do is just be present and pour into them and then be able to, as they go through the different stages of development. Now don't get me wrong, those hormones. Yeah. those hormones are something else. But I think at the end of the day, when you look back at them and you get to watch them, coach, I graduated from college, or you get that graduation announcement, or I think that's what makes it all worth it. That's awesome. It is. It's I think that that's the best part of being a coach, especially of the girls, is that impact and that connection you can make. And obviously as a female coach, you get to make a little bit deeper connection than as a male coach as I was. But that's awesome. I'm wearing my favorite shirt. I don't know if everybody can see it, but it says respect all fear none. And this is, I don't know, 2017 somewhere around there. but it's one of my favorite shirts and I take care of it and it's in that closet and I wear it and that if I may, that seems to be kind of your overall motto as a coach going into games, going into the mentality of we're going to be playing high level teams are going to be playing some lower level teams. We're going to be playing not lower level as JV, but lower ability teams. It's kind of your kind of your philosophy in life as a coach, right? Is that, is that the motto that you go by. I think, I can't believe you still have that shirt, actually. I saw the end of the letters and I was like, is he wearing that? But I didn't get a chance to ask, but I was like, that shirt looks really familiar. I still have mine also. It's like the way it's somewhere, obviously I can't wear it anymore for obvious reasons, but yeah. I think that it's funny, because I just had a conversation about this last week, two weeks ago. We traveled out to Pomona to play one of our league opponents who... You know, they're not very good. And I was talking to the AD about some of the stuff that, you know, coaches have done. And I just, I'm not a fan of it. I'm not a fan of it. I think that that's bigger than basketball. That's, that's a life lesson. You know I mean? That's we, have an opportunity in those moments to teach our kids. Now, are there a lot of coaches out here that are run up the score? And I think I just saw one the other day or yesterday. That was something outrageous. It was like one 50 something to like 24. And I'm just kind of like, what are you teaching those kids in that moment? Like, what are you teaching them? You're teaching them that it's okay for them to beat up on people, you know, lesser than them for the sake of some record or for the sake of some type of recognition or for the sake of some type of personal intrinsic, you know, award. And, it's just basketball. It's not just basketball. It's not at all. And I think if... Nothing else, if they even walk away with that, like, no, you know what? You can show everybody respect. You can go into every game. Like I've always told my kids, we prepare for every game the same way. I don't care if that team is 23 and 0 or 0 and 23. And it shouldn't change the way we play. It shouldn't change the way that we prepare. It shouldn't change the way that we treat the other team. Afterwards, we shake hands. We don't talk trash to the other team. We don't talk to parents. We don't talk to coaches. We don't get into it with the refs. I mean, that's my job. Every now and then, only when it's absolutely necessary. yeah, I just think even if nothing else, you don't learn anything else and we can teach you that going into life, I'll take it. I'll take it. Because it's whether we realize it or not, they're watching. And it's, know for me, I didn't really realize that my kids were paying attention because we always feel like they're not listening, right? Why do I have to keep telling you the same thing over and over again? But to hear my kids, even in, even in jest. you know, crack some of the jokes that I crack or, you know, say some of the things that I say a lot. I'm like, wait, they are listening and they are. And we might be the only example of a positive, the only positive example that they get on how to treat people and how to not be a jerk. So I think that that's, when we put that on the shirt that year, I was just like, yeah, that's, tell my kids, we don't back down from anybody, but we're going to be respectful. We're going to come in, you know. exhibit sportsmanship, we're going to carry ourselves like young ladies. We're not fighting in the stands. We're not going to other people's schools and getting into it because what somebody said on social media, like what y'all you're arguing about what some no, we're not we're not doing this. We're not doing this. But yeah, it's worked well. I think it's it's been super helpful in trying to, you know, teach the message that we're trying to teach. So if it ain't broke. Right. OK, last question for you, coach. If you could have one superhero power for a day, what would it be and why? you I could have one superhero power, it would be to read minds. Because I'll be honest, sometimes I have no idea what's going on in these kids' heads. Sometimes I would just love to be like, what, what, what goes on in there? Like what? I yell at you, I don't yell at you. That doesn't work. I make you run, I don't make you run. doesn't, like, you don't know the play. What is going on in there? I would just love to be a fly on a wall in people's brains for one day. Cause I promise you, I feel like it would make so many more things make sense to me. you would have a lot of commentary coming out of that situation. You're like, you know what I think? I know what you're thinking. Here's what my. But then I, like, could people know that I could do that? You know what I mean? Because then that's the whole thing. Like, could they know? I don't know. I'm not setting up that kind of parameter, so. I'd be weird, like, if I just said exactly what, you know, but I'm just, for one day, I would just sit there and just listen to the conversations that people have with themselves. That's awesome. That's awesome. All right. We're going to wrap it up. This is a coach cinnamon. she used to be coach G, but that doesn't work now. She's married and, do that coach Mo now coach Mo. Okay. And a coach Mo was a high school star. She was all CIF. She was a college star. She is a star on the court. She was named coach of the year back. What was that? 2019. Uh-huh. you went to the finals. But you're so, so close. Yeah, right. You never we never get we never get over those losses. But you're you're a star as a person and I appreciate you. Thank you for coming on. You know, I love talking to you and I'll come up with another topic that won't be just about basketball that we can get on here and we can we can chat and. Get some super deep insight from you and I'll have you back on soon. And thank you for having me. I appreciate it. You know, it's nice to see you not just sitting at home and you know, you're still putting all this many, years of sports knowledge to good use. So I love that for you. Thank you. I really thought sitting on my lounge chair was the right idea, but my wife said no. don't even think that you thought that. Because you and I both know that it would have worked for five minutes and then after a while you would have just started to kind of be like, okay, well. What am I going to do now? Yeah, I'm not. I'm not that good at video games at my age, so at some point I would have been like, no, I throw the controller down, get up and go do something. So this is fun. This is fun and it's fun to sit and talk with you. I appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you.